A profanity filter is employed. Please use a valid e-mail with your message and a valid name if at all possible. Please keep to the posters subject.
RICHMOND WATCHDOG OPEN FORUM
 Subject: RE: Real Issues of Concern
 
Author: Laurence Mann
Date:   11/1/2001 10:45 am WEDT
Would it not be fairer to say that Mr Meacock, having run out of steam elsewhere, is pressing his agenda, which is not supported by evidence but only the hope that "one day someone will trip up or events catch up with them" and that indeed there is something to "trip over" or "catch them up".

The assertions littered here that the council and its members and officers operate or have operated corruptly or dishonestly are not supported by evidence, and are all based on the false logic that because there is no evidence, the worst construction possible must be put on events.

When this is pointed out, I am invited to visit hell, which may be very pleasant at this time of year but holds no immediate attraction.

I do sympathise and agree with one of the theses behind this site: that things need to be "got to the bottom of". But getting to the bottom of things does not mean starting off with a presumption that things must be wrong, and then ignoring or sidelining anything which doesn't support that conclusion, giving rumour and gossip the status of irrefragable fact, and building speculation upon speculation to support that initial presumption. That is the kind of process which leads people to believe that they have been kidnapped by aliens, or that they are the legitimate heir to the throne.

Investigating something means finding out all of the facts and drawing reasonable conclusions from those facts, preferably uncoloured by prior prejudice.

I am opposed to the idea that Mr Meacock s a "mad maverick". He's definitely a maverick, which I do not take to be an insult. We need mavericks to pudsh away at complacency and to generate ideas. But much as I personally respect his enthusiasm to bring back an ice rink, there can be no question that he has allowed this enthusiasm to undermine his judgement when it comes to drawing inferences from circumstances. I doubt very much if the same processes as I have described above are used by him and others who use them when conducting personal business transactions.

People who indulge in politics are not all saints, and not all sinners. There are good and bad people in this field as with every other. But I know of no research to ascertain whether the percentage of wayward politicians his higher or lower than wayward insurance salesmen, builders, office clerks, lawyers, estate agents, doctors, etc. What is clear to me is that it is just as unfair to assume that all politicians are corrupt because a few are found to be, as it is to assume that all doctors are murderers because of Mr Shipman.

Reply To This Message

 Topics Author  Date      
 Real Issues of Concern   new  
Richard Meacock 11/1/2001 5:35 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/1/2001 7:13 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern    
Laurence Mann 11/1/2001 10:45 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Richard Meacock 11/1/2001 11:13 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Laurence Mann 11/1/2001 11:32 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/1/2001 11:54 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/1/2001 11:56 am WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Voter 11/1/2001 1:18 pm WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
In need of more help 11/1/2001 2:58 pm WEDT
 STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL   new  
J. Watley 11/2/2001 0:10 am WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/2/2001 11:59 am WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL?   new  
R H 11/2/2001 12:21 am WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL?   new  
Knowledgeable 11/2/2001 1:20 pm WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL?   new  
R H 11/2/2001 3:31 pm WEDT
 Still Waiting.   new  
R H 2/24/2002 6:36 pm WEDT
 RE: Still Waiting.   new  
Laurence Mann 2/25/2002 1:08 pm WEDT
 Minutes   new  
R H 2/25/2002 2:07 pm WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL?   new  
Cllr Laurence Mann 11/2/2001 8:46 pm WEDT
 The Implications.   new  
R H 11/3/2001 2:49 pm WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Cllr Laurence Mann 11/3/2001 10:05 pm WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Anthony P Berend 11/4/2001 0:35 am WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
RichardMeacock 11/4/2001 8:41 am WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Cllr Laurence Mann 11/4/2001 7:56 pm WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/4/2001 10:43 pm WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Cllr Laurence Mann 11/4/2001 7:46 pm WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Anthony P Berend 11/5/2001 0:35 am WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Richard Meacock 11/5/2001 7:55 am WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Laurence Mann 11/5/2001 11:27 am WEDT
 RE: The Implications.   new  
Laurence Mann 11/5/2001 10:38 am WEDT
 Statistics.   new  
R H 11/8/2001 3:55 pm WEDT
 RE: Statistics.   new  
Laurence Mann 11/9/2001 9:09 am WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL?   new  
Anthony P Berend 11/4/2001 0:05 am WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL?   new  
Cllr Laurence Mann 11/4/2001 9:03 pm WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL   new  
Public Service Information 11/2/2001 8:37 pm WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL   new  
Knightsbridge LET Staff member 11/3/2001 10:23 am WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/4/2001 10:36 pm WEDT
 RE: STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL   new  
Laurence Mann 11/5/2001 10:27 am WEDT
 Purpose?   new  
R H 11/8/2001 3:23 pm WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Laurence Mann 11/1/2001 3:14 pm WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Trevor Clarke 11/1/2001 4:47 pm WEDT
 RE: Real Issues of Concern   new  
Cllr Laurence Mann 11/1/2001 8:07 pm WEDT
 Reply To This Message
 Your Name:  
 Your Email:  
 Subject:  
  Submission Validation Question: What is 60 + 3? *  
* indicates required field
     

Sexist, Racist, Rude or unnecessary messages will be removed. Tolerance to anonymous messages will be at the discretion of the administration body. Anyone who insults the owner of this forum will be barred for life. No adverts permitted.